It was so much better than 10! Mat was awesome in this book, even though he didn't you-know-what a certain you-know-who with Thom. I am so cheesed about him and Tuon.
I'm glad that Perrin is finally going to be out of that freaking forest, and I wonder where he'll go next...
So much cool stuff happened in that book, and in the next one, there's more cool stuff happening!
Book 10 was just such a bummer, and nothing happened, and this book made up for it.
Matt's my favorite character, so I'm glad he was in it a lot.
what did you guys think??
I'm glad that Perrin is finally going to be out of that freaking forest, and I wonder where he'll go next...
So much cool stuff happened in that book, and in the next one, there's more cool stuff happening!
Book 10 was just such a bummer, and nothing happened, and this book made up for it.
Matt's my favorite character, so I'm glad he was in it a lot.
what did you guys think??
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Sun, November 13, 2005 - 7:31 PMI agree, this book was much more... goal oriented? Active? Well, the point is that it actually accompished things and went somewhere by the end!!
It IS good to see Matt have a big part in a book again, after having so few roles before this. He's not even in whole books!
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Mon, November 14, 2005 - 6:42 AMI've heard it's supposed to be 13, though it's been a while since I've looked for everything WoT on the net ;)
I think my favorite plot line in this one was Egwene's in the White Tower. I don't quite know how Jordan is going to have the Tower attacked by the Seachan (Could Egwene be mistaken? I don't think so "A dreamer knows the meaning of her true dreams" or some such thing) or how that might pan out in the least (darkfriends and traitors and forsaken oh my!)
Though, to be honest I may just have loved that plot line because something actually happened in the siege!
It is really nice that things are rolling along in the series, the seachan are now a big wild card (what's Tuon going to do?) I'm not sure what the Borderland armies are up too (I don't think, last I remember they were looking for Rand. . .) though it's nice that we don't have to hear about Elayne trying to get the crown anymore (I hope)
I didn't mind The Crossroads of Twighlight myself, the first time through it was slow (well, it's slow) but I was able to connect some dots that I was happy to remember.
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Sun, December 11, 2005 - 2:48 AMI have to say I'm very satisfied with this book. After all we went through with the last few this more than made up for it with me. I was reading and I actually whooped out loud like an idiot when Mat caught up with Talmanes and the Band.
I have a question does anyone think Egenin/Lylwynn (sorry for the spelling errors) is the seanchan who saves Egwene? I'm wondering because there is a passage where someone I think Mat or the leader of the deathwatch guards walks into the camp and sees her and she has a sword strapped to her back. And in Egwene's dream the Seanchan woman who saves her has a sword strapped to her back. I know its a stretch but 2 things make me think it could be her 1. Egenin is possibly the only Seanchan I can think of that would not have a problem saving an Aes Sedai and 2. Egwene never met her which is why she wouldn't have recognised the woman who saved her. Oh and does anyone have any thoughts on who Mazrim Taim is now? That was a big reveal from him when he made the comment about letting the lord of chaos rule". And dammit who killed Asmodean? -
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Mon, December 12, 2005 - 6:45 AMTaim is not Demandred, 100% not :) I doubt he's Moridin either (dunno if I spelled that right *g*) as the timing doesn't really work and we've not seen the . . . ohhh, saa in Taim's eye's, which I'm 90% sure we would have otherwise (unless a Mask of Mirrors would disguise the saa, but I don't think it would, but that's just assumption on my part) and the timing seems to be off for Moridin (as he's Ishamael reborn)
It could be Egenin/Lylwynn who saves Egwene, but I don't see how that will pan out as it looked like the Seachan were staging their White Tower attack from Amadicia, though I'm not 100% sure. And who knows how that attacks gonna fly with what's happening in Arad Domon and Altara (Rodel Ituralde in AD and Matt in Altara) and with Tuon reclaiming control of the Seachan (looks like a clean take over too, since Semirhage is captured and Suroth owned)
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Mon, November 21, 2005 - 3:48 PMRJ said there would be 12 at the booksigning for KoD in San Francisco - even if it takes forever to write the last one, and even if we have to put wheels on the damn thing to carry it around. :-)
(But then again, George RR Martin swore up and down that there would be no more than five in his series, and he had to break down and add another book once he got started on this one - we'll see if RJ keeps his resolve on this one...)
I, for one, am back to being "engaged" in these books (better be, after 3? 4? more? times all the way through 'til #9) - and am thrilled that the pace (of the story, if not writing it) has quickened. Though I have to say that at this point, the discovery that Morgase is still alive had BETTER be good!
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Tue, November 22, 2005 - 7:36 AMI thought it was awesome. I just spent the weekend reading it. I think i read about 350 pages of it on saturday. I couldn't put it down.
10 wasn't the best to me, for the reason that it didn't really give a lot of new plot, just a lot of reaction to stuff happening from all the characters.
11, though, changed that. I'm so glad that perrin finally rescued Faile, that plot line was getting a little long.
I like all the characters. I could read endlessly about all of them. I do like Perrin and Mat more then rand though. I like the surprise that perrin receives in learning that he's in the prophesies. He must've thought "oh, shit."
And I like the idea that matt finally comes into his own as a general and finally embraces it and realizes there's no way around it. I thought it was cute that tuon was thought "she told me what kissing men was like, but i didn't know it was going to be like that!"
It's going to be interesting to see how the marriage of matt and tuon plays out with the impending battle of the seanchan and the rest of the world.
Quite a shocker that rand lost his hand, too.
anyway, i have my head in the clouds about it all. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!!!!
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Wed, December 7, 2005 - 5:37 PMI was delighted with KOD. Back to the RJ who drops us cliffhangers right-and-left, juggles fifteen dynamic plots simultaneously and leaves us slavering for the next book. I just realized that that was what was lacking in the last installment, that sense of need to know what's next. -
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Thu, January 19, 2006 - 4:25 PMMazrim Taim has gotta be Forsaken.
theme of theft from martin's series: lead character loses a hand & there is a crown of swords which cuts into the flesh. a few more things i noticed, but i forget now.
book 11 was way more substantial than book 10, but still too short and a bit unfinished, with details looked over that are hard to understand. like rand not meeting up with mat or perrin when he states that he needs them. duh, from the colors he could easily gather his ashaman and get one of them to figure out where that location is by showing them the image he saw and getting them to go look for his friends. also, elayne could have argued for aviendha's company saying she needed her but she didn't even put up an argument - not like her. and i can't imagine two women who'd allow min to monopolize all of rand's time and never demand his presence. ridiculous. rand's storyline was left too much in limbo, though others were nicely wrapped up. egwene and mat's storylines were awesome, perrin's way too dragged out (over two books to save faile? please. he should have returned to rand by now, at least) but i liked how nynaeve planted the seeds of a kingdom of malkier for lan and i'm pleased that a few black ajah and a forsaken were caught. not that they'll stay caught.
poorly edited. elayne chapters should not be one after the other. nor should any character's chapters. they weren't properly interspersed, which made for a dull read from time to time. important in reading a long epic work like this. lots of typos and obvious grammatical errors. his editors suck bad.
i would have liked it if jordan had used sarah of inverloch's cover for the book - she's a wonderful artist. the cover art characters are way too wrinkly. our main characters are not in their 70s!
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Fri, January 20, 2006 - 12:40 PMI disagree with Taim being Forsaken, there really isn't anyone for him to be. RJ stated that Taim isn't Demandred and Taim was around before Moridin came back. My personal theory on it is that Taim was turned by a circle of 13 BA and 13 Myd when he was freed in the boarderlands (I think there is even mention by the BA that they were involved in his rescue) -
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Fri, January 20, 2006 - 12:56 PMso you're saying he's just a powerful darkfriend? perhaps on his way to becoming forsaken in the future...
also, thinking about perrin and faile's reunion. so much build up and then he lets her go run off to hunt for sevanna's jewels? they both thought about cheating on each other. they seem like a good couple and yet there is that. i don't see how the seanchan were necessary to that rescue, you don't really see the role they play in that battle. and to give up manetheren for that? -
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Mon, January 23, 2006 - 11:26 AMI'm thinkin he's basically on par with . . . oh, I forget how to spell her name but the head of the black ajah, I'd guess he's been marked out as one of the top dreadlords when the LB happens.
Of course I'd much rather Taim just be a guy who doesn't like Rand much, but there is to much evidence (even if it is circumstancial) pointing towards him being a dark friend.
Well, in the thinking about cheating on Perrin it was so she could escape, reasonable enough (in my mind) I don't remember him thinking about cheating but I'm not saying it's not true :)
As for the Seanchan, they were definetly necessary, even with Perrin's plan there were still to many channellers for Perrin's force, not to mention the fact the Aiel there outnumbered his force by at least 4x (if not more, don't remember the exact numbers) I'll agree that RJ didn't show the Seanchan's importance there terribly well, but it was definetely important :)
As for giving up Manetheren, well, he didn't give it up so much since it doesn't exist anymore. He's basically just saying "I won't try to raise Manetheren against you" Andor is still able to do whatever they please (potentially anyhow *g*) so he's basically not giving up anything (the potential for something, but it's not actualized yet)
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Mon, January 23, 2006 - 5:57 PMno, i feel manetheren was pretty much perrin's before he did this. or woulda been. rand's taveren are going to end up leaders as much as egwene and elayne and nynaeve/lan. i think you're right about taim - he's built up an equivalent of the black ajah, but perhaps bigger than the aes sedai group. yeah, perrin talks about how the first of mayene becomes less offensive for him, then rather pretty. by the end of so many knots on the rope he had to remind himself 'but of course berelaine's not faile' more than once. -
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Tue, January 24, 2006 - 8:16 AMWell that's understandable enough, she's been doing a brilliant job of getting him to accept her more and more (I'm not sure if this is still a bid to get in his bed or not)
As for Manetheren, Perrin didn't want it and it doesn't currently exist as a country. He may have been able to raise Manetheren from the dead but I doubt Elayne or anyone else in Andor would have been happy about it, to say nothing of the time and effort it'd take to raise Manetheren. Perrin is certainly a leader though, both Mayene and Ghealdan swear feality to him (well, Mayene might not have sworn to him specifically. . . I don't quite remember if she swore, but Ghealdan definetely did *g*) and he has his own lil army. To say nothing of being heir to Bashere's titles (should he retain them, his queen (Bashere's) is pretty pissed at him right now)
I'm not sure how many Taim has that are completely loyal to him, quite a few for sure but I'm not sure about specific numbers (50? 100? 200?) and I'm pretty sure he still has to keep it somewhat on the down low (I certainly wouldn't say "I'm a darkfriend!" in front of hundreds of men who can channel *g*) but we haven't seen enough inside of the black tower to really see how he goes about recruiting men and what's going on with those who he doesn't recruit (and who didn't attach themselves to Logain) -
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Tue, January 24, 2006 - 12:55 PMi'm still pro-Manetheren as a sovereign entity. remember in book one when they were first making their way from two rivers with moiraine? it took forever! good thing they learned to travel and whatnot. it was really far from caemlyn and it was mentioned that not only was it not originally part of andor, but furthermore, the book specifically stated that the queen did nothing for the people in their region but collect taxes. maybe morgase was a good queen until she got swindled by forsaken, but she wasn't good to two rivers. they were too remote. -
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Thu, January 26, 2006 - 11:50 AMOh, without a doubt Andor didn't really pay attention to the Two Rivers, they didn't really have any reason too. In fact I don't think Andor was collecting taxes from the Two Rivers even (though I don't remember 100%) That doesn't mean that Andor wouldn't step in if Perrin were to really resurrect Manetheren, I'm quite sure they would in fact. I don't think that Perrin would have accepted that fight in the least, he doesn't really want to be a Lord (though he has come to accept the responcibility) and there is no way he'd waste the lives of men just so he could have a throne, wouldn't happen. He picked up the flag as a distraction technique and that's all it ever really was, so in reality he really didn't trade anything but the potential to raise Manetheren from the grave to fight the Seanchan (I'm pretty sure that was the agreement, it may have gone so far as Perrin won't fight the Seanchan but I'm not sure)
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Re: I finished Knife of Dreams! **Spoilers**
Thu, January 26, 2006 - 5:03 PMyes, that may be true of perrin, but isn't it clear that faile will get the upper hand whenever she wants? faile would take manetheren and believe she was making sure he got his due. i think the timing is perfect for reclaiming it as a separate state bc elayne, as queen, would not oppose it. she's tight with manetheren - hell, she's carrying two rivers babes. her closest friends are all from there. and i'll think she'll be a just queen and realize that she can't do anything for them - whereas they may be able to do something for themselves.
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